Re-Reading Sacrosanctum Concilium: Check In

In the past I have checked in with Pray Tell’s readership about the on-going series in which we are re-reading the “Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy” article by article. I had originally intended to cover an article a week, thinking that we would complete our re-reading to mark the 50th anniversary of the promulgation of the document. At an earlier check-in I was asked if I could post the articles more slowly, and so aimed at posting an article with commentary every two weeks. Except for weeks when I have been on vacation or tied up with other projects, that has been the usual pace of posting since the last check-in.

At that time I also asked if anyone wished to take over providing the “slavishly literal translations” of the articles that I post along with the Vatican website translation and the Latin text and received some positive responses, until the press of other responsibilities made it impossible for these contributors to continue their translation work. I’ll repeat the question today and would be happy to hear from anyone who might want to take over that responsibility.

In addition to offering some contextual remarks about the article under examination, I have tried to pose some questions that might guide our discussion. I have found that the contextual material seems to be about right in terms of content and length, but that the questions for discussion don’t seem to be all that helpful (at least in terms of reader responses). Am I correct in this assessment? If so, should I simply offer a contextualization and leave readers free to take the discussion in any direction they wish (which they will do regardless of these questions for discussion)?

I have also noticed that what began with a great flurry of readers’ comments per article has settled down to a rather anemic response. It strikes me that this may be a result of: 1) greater interest in the foundational principles articulated in Chapter One than in the concrete directives and recommendations found in later chapters; 2) greater interest in the directives and recommendations concerning the Mass than in those concerning the sacraments and sacramentals (and if this is true, I suspect there will be even less interest in the Council Fathers’ treatment of the Divine Office); 3) frustration that so many of the discussions seem to serve as opportunities to state individual opinions (sometimes quite vigorously) without much interest in moving toward consensus or articulating the assumptions behind the opinions held; or 4) simply a reflection of the relative interest generated by the different articles. On the other hand, I may be doing something that impedes a more vigorous exchange. I would be happy to hear recommendations from the readership on whether or not the project should continue and, if so, what might make this project of greater interest to more readers.

Michael Joncas

Ordained in 1980 as a priest of the Archdiocese of St. Paul-Minneapolis, MN, Fr. (Jan) Michael Joncas holds degrees in English from the (then) College of St. Thomas in St. Paul, MN, and in liturgical studies from the University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN and the Pontificio Istituto Liturgico of the Ateneo S. Anselmo in Rome. He has served as a parochial vicar, a campus minister, and a parochial administrator (pastor). He is the author of six books and more than two hundred fifty articles and reviews in journals such as Worship, Ecclesia Orans, and Questions Liturgiques. He has composed and arranged more than 300 pieces of liturgical music. He has recently retired as a faculty member in the Theology and Catholic Studies departments and as Artist in Residence and Research Fellow in Catholic Studies at the University of St. Thomas, St. Paul, Minnesota.

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23 responses to “Re-Reading Sacrosanctum Concilium: Check In”

  1. Keep going with it. I did mine about seven years ago, with similar results. I didn’t have the benefit of the Latin and slavish translations, so this is far superior. SC 116: look out!

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      Anthony Ruff, OSB

      @Todd Flowerday – comment #1:
      I’m with Todd. It’s a great series and I’m benefitting from reading each entry, even if I don’t have a comment to add.
      awr

      1. @Anthony Ruff, OSB – comment #2:
        And I would agree with Fr. Anthony. Often I do not have anything of import to add to the beautifully presented article, but I read every one and all the comments. And sometimes I do not comment for fear of incurring the disdain described in #3! 🙂

  2. Jonathan Day

    I agree. And I would happily take on another chunk of literal translations.

  3. Paul Inwood

    I agree too. And there are some interesting paragraphs still to come!…

  4. Please continue. Your questions are very insightful. I only regret that the comments sometime hijack the conversation you are trying to stimulate.

  5. Agree+++++

  6. Graham Wilson

    Yes, yes, yes! Please continue, Michael. I’ve so enjoyed reading this series.

  7. Charles Culbreth

    Please, sir, may I have some more. 😉

  8. Jordan Zarembo

    Please continue. I enjoy the posts, though I often have little time to read them. I will refrain from being adversarial.

  9. Todd Orbitz

    What will be really interesting is drawing together all of the slavishly literal translations, and posting them as a unitary whole. I think that will be the first time it has been done since the Council.

    I tried to get several interested bloggers in doing this as a group wikipedia page for all the conciliar documents about 10 years ago. It went nowhere.

  10. Jim Pauwels

    I also am appreciating the series, even when I have no comment to offer.

    Regarding your four hypotheses for the reduced number of comments: I suspect that all four have some merit. I would also note that the number of comments doesn’t always correlate with the quality of the comments.

    I do wonder if the pace of one article every two weeks is making it harder to follow the plot, so to speak? If the current pace is what you have time for, Fr. Michael, I completely understand. I wonder if it would be possible, or would make sense, to post more than one article at a time. For example, as we get into the articles on the divine office, paragraphs 83-86 could be posted as a single unit. (Or perhaps there is some other grouping that would make sense).

  11. I am fairly new to the blog, but one of my favorite series is this one. Please keep it going.

  12. Doc Ortman

    I am with Father Anthony as well. I find new kernels for prayer and continued study, and look forward to each new post. Your reward will be great in heaven even if here it seems a little lacking.

  13. Fr. Neil Xavier O'Donoghue

    I would also encourage you to continue the series. I would even suggest that, when completed, it could form the nucleus of a new commentary on SC, somewhat similar the the ones on the Order of Mass and the GIRM that Lit Press has published over the last few years.

  14. I second the motions to continue, with lots of added encouragement and thanks!

  15. Peter Haydon

    Please carry on. On some of the other sacraments, outside Mass, we may experience them infrequently and not appreciate the changes made. This means that I, like one or two others, have no comment to make. We can still try to learn.
    Thank you Father

  16. Anne Mullen

    I read, learn and appreciate even though I don’t comment. Perhaps I will! Please continue.

  17. Paul R. Schwankl

    I find those suggestions for discussion helpful; no matter how much they’re not followed, they show how Michael Joncas understands the section of SC in question. I hope JMJ himself does not wonder whether his views are all that important (they are); he may sometimes feel like a college teacher throwing out a stimulating question to a class and enduring the painful ensuing silence. I hope he will continue to bear that cross.
    I couldn’t do those slavishly literal translations. I would always feel my Latin teachers looking over my shoulder from the afterlife and saying “WHAT are you DOING? Didn’t we teach you anything?”

  18. Matthew Morelli

    Fr. Michael,

    Please do continue — I have been one of those who have shifted nearly exclusively to lurking at PTB in recent months due to some other commitments that leave me with less time to engage in discussion. However, the insights that you and the commenters contribute are helpful.

    I do agree with Jim above, that it might be helpful to group some of the articles that you think might generate better discussion as a group than as individual points.

  19. Francis Carson

    Please continue with your work. I appreciate much what you have been posting, though I may not have participated in the discussions. I agree with the above comments. Thank you for all your efforts. Please don’t get tired with what you have started. Indeed, you have helped much in the understanding of a document so important for the church.

  20. Fr. Jack Feehily

    Michael, I want to thank you for these articles and encourage you to continue as your energy and many other commitments permit

  21. Mike Joncas

    Dear Friends,

    Thanks for your feedback. Consensus seems to be that the series continue, that the commentary is about the right length, that the questions are not obstacles to the discussion but that I should not be concerned if the conversation doesn’t take them up, that there is no one reason for variances in the number of responses made, and that I should consider grouping some of the articles together. Thus I plan to continue with Chapter Four starting next week and will try to implement the recommendation about yoking articles when possible.


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