Positive vibes surround Pope Francis on Twitter

Now here’s some good news – positive comments about Pope Francis on Twitter outweigh negative by a ratio of five to one. The Pew Research Center analyzed eight million (!) tweets for their study. Francis’s 84% to 16% ration, positive to negative, contrasts with Pope Benedict XVI, who had 30% positive and 70% negative.

Meanwhile, Francis’s popularity is not bringing more people into the Catholic Church. A Pew Research poll said that, although Francis is very popular, almost as popular as John Paul II at his peak, Mass attendance among Catholics has not increased. Not to be too negative about secularization trends, but the lack of a decrease here could also be good news. Something we’ll never know is how much Mass attendance might have decreased, but didn’t, without Francis. So the unchanged Mass attendance, in times when the hold of traditional religion on people is weakening, might be the best we dare hope for.

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25 responses to “Positive vibes surround Pope Francis on Twitter”

  1. Jack Rakosky

    I have argued in a previous post that there is something called “Catholic Pride” which unlike “Catholic Identity” can be experienced by people who are lukewarm or even non-Catholic. This was particularly evident in the case of the pride in the work of women religious, and hence I called that post “Why we are all Nuns”. Many people were expressing their pride in the nuns without being nuns or even Catholics.

    https://praytell.blog/index.php/2012/08/05/why-we-are-all-nuns-catholic-pride-universal-call-to-holiness/
    So I am not surprised that the expressions of “Catholic Pride” in Pope Francis by even lukewarm Catholics and non-Catholics have not lead to increases in Mass attendance or conversions to Catholicism any more that expressions of “Catholic Pride” in nuns would do that.

    The key to understanding Catholic pride is that it already resides in people, In both Catholics and non-Catholics, who appreciate the many things that Catholics (clergy, religious, and laity) have done through many different Catholics institutions. What Francis has done is unleash that pride by removing the distractions of pomp and scandals and focusing upon the essentials of love, prayer, mercy and service that are at the heart of Catholicism. When people see Francis in the media or tweet about him, they are saying that this is the Catholicism that we know and love.

    Francis is correct when in his recent interview when he said that he is a normal person and does not like the trappings of being a superstar. He really is not the cause of his popularity; that cause resides in Catholic Pride. In is merely acting in conformity to Catholic pride.

    The ratings of Popes in the Pew Report are well explained by the concept of Catholic Pride. JP2 also had high evaluations in the context of Communism; B16 got high evaluations when he came to the US and met with sex abuse victims. In all these cases people (non-Catholics as well as Catholics) respond to good reports in the media that support their basic Catholic…

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    1. Jack Rakosky

      @Jack Rakosky – comment #1:

      In all these cases people (non-Catholics as well as Catholics) respond to good reports in the media that support their basic Catholic pride.

      Catholic Pride causes high evaluations of Popes when they confirm that pride; Popes do not cause Catholic Pride that are only the catalyst for its expression.

      THE COMMENT EDITOR IS NOT WORKING. AS SOMEONE ELSE NOTED YESTERDAY WE ARE GETTING A BLANK SCREEN WHEN WE PRESS THE COMMENT EDITOR.

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        Anthony Ruff, OSB

        @Jack Rakosky – comment #2:
        I’ve had the same problem with comment editing, Jack. The tech staff is on it. Thanks for the alert.
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    2. Jack Rakosky

      @Jack Rakosky – comment #1:

      In the post on Why we are all Nuns, I maintained that this “Catholic Pride” among Catholics is firmly anchored in satisfaction for the local church rather than in satisfaction with the bishops and Pope, and quoted data form a Pew Report in August 2012.

      Satisfaction (which includes very satisfied) for nuns (83%) and priests (82%) was essentially the same, but there was less satisfaction for the bishop (74%), the pope (74%) and American bishops (70%) who are not different from each other.

      One of the reasons for the high popularity of Pope Francis is that he is modeling what Catholics like and want in their parish priests. He is also being very articulate and demanding about “priests having the smell of sheep.” Again Francis could not have this popularity without the existence of Catholic Pride which says “this is really what Catholicism is about.”

      It is interesting that although Pope Francis has emphasized being a “poor church for the poor” he has been less effective that the nuns in communicating that to lukewarm Catholics. The nuns had higher ratings than priests and bishops among lukewarm Catholics in the August 2012 study.

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  2. Jack Rakosky

    There is a major finding In the present Pew Report which has been neglected or underemphasized by almost everyone in their commentaries.

    Four-in-ten Catholics say they have been praying more often in the past 12 months (compared with 8% who say they have been praying less often).

    That is a net 32% increase in praying, almost a third of Catholics. This is amazing!

    If one digs down deeper in the data, most of this increase occurred among Catholics who are attend Mass regularly.

    Francis frequently makes requests to “pray for me,” a signature practice that started when he first appeared on the balcony. Francis homilies at the morning Masses which are styled “meditations” come from his practice of prayer before Mass; these are very popular on the internet. Francis had a major prayer vigil for peace in the Mid-East. It was largely organized quickly through the internet. Francis is obviously deeply in touch with popular piety, especially Marian piety.

    In the USA the majority of people (and Catholics) pray daily even though only about half as many people (and Catholics) attend weekend church services. It seems that one should speak to people assuming that they pray daily but not necessarily that they go to church every weekend.

    One of the deepest ways that Francis may be in tune with average person is in this matter of prayer. Right now it may be showing up primarily among those who attend Mass frequently. They are more likely to look for the homilies and use social media. Obviously the mainstream media are more focused on the photo opportunities and public events which focus less on prayer.

    This deep connection of Francis and people as persons of prayer may be a very important factor in his present leadership and maybe and even more important factor in his future success.

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  3. Jack Rakosky

    One further implication of seeing the Francis effect as a product of Catholic Pride that exists among Catholics and non-Catholics and seeing the Pope only as a catalyst is that Francis is not immune to criticism and his popularity may plummet.

    Already in the Pew survey Catholics had given Francis lower marks for dealing with the sexual abuse scandal. This is particularly important since a previous survey had shown that this was the top priority for American Catholics.

    Francis obvious “tone deafness” on the sexual abuse issue has finally come home to roost in his latest interview when he repeated standard defenses of the church on this issue.

    Francis has himself distinguished “sin and mercy” from “corruption.” Most people see the sexual abuse scandal especially the role of bishops as corruption, and expect the pope not simply to reform bishops but remove and punish those are corrupt.

    This may be difficult to do when he also wants to encourage collegiality with bishops, e.g. will someone like O’Malley really begin to say that people like Finn should go. That is what we need if we are to have both collegiality and accountability

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  4. Jack Rakosky

    #7 by Kelly Marie Santini

    It is important is begin to do things at the parish level in which people can participate in shaping the future and not to wait for the Pope and bishops.

    My favorite parish with the best liturgies is already doing two things.

    1.The pastor collected data using a simplified version of the questions from the Vatican Synod on the Family. He incorporated those results in his report to the bishop which he also shared with the parish. In other words, no turning back and sweeping the problems under the rug we have to face the facts.

    2. He is having a “An Evening with Francis’ to discuss key sections of The Joy of the Gospel. Small group discussions will be followed by shared summaries with the large group. Again immediate involvement of the parish with Francis, no waiting for things to happen from above.

    What I would do if I were a pastor would be to have daily Mass in the evening, distribute Francis daily homily from the web before Mass, use the five minutes at the beginning of Mass to have people give me a one sentence summary of their reaction or questions, then list three points or questions during the homily and invite people to spend a half hour after Mass discussing. Like Francis I would systematically invite groups in the parish to come to these daily evening Masses.

    My post CARA’s Parish Data & the New Evangelization: A Social Network Approach maps out how to evangelize from the most committed to the least committed people of the parish.

    https://praytell.blog/index.php/2012/05/15/caras-parish-data-the-new-evangelization-a-social-network-approach/

    Unfortunately I suspect most pastors and staff will hope for the best and wait for things to “trickle down.” And of course if anybody does come to Mass hoping for something, they will find nothing has changed.

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  5. Brian Culley

    I think we can dare hope attendance will increase! Hope is essential to life. It actually might happen if Pope Francisco does something more concrete about sexual abuse. Firing a convicted bishop or two would be a dramatic sign that would warm the hearts of many people.

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  6. Dale Rodrigue

    I think we have to begin somewhere and an increase in prayer is a start. HOWEVER, the church has lost trust. With the sex abuse scandal many Catholics are taking another look but are withholding until we see some action on the part of Francis. My concern is that Francis will get “muzzled”. I was disappointed in his comments on the sex abuse scandal and his comments on Humanae Vitae being “genius”? Maybe he’s just playing “good cop/bad cop” to test the waters or is actually getting worn down by the curia. There won’t be much movement on the part of the laity until there are some concrete changes IMO anyhow.
    Brian Culley, I absolutely agree. He can start by firing Finn.

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  7. Jack Feehily

    I’m very glad for the posts in which reference is made to the manner in which Francis handled the issue of sexual abuse. In another blog nearly all the posters have come down very hard on Francis and accuse him of what they consider typical episcopal minimizing. They are obviously dismissing all his talk about mercy and forgiveness. But why? Why would he take an unforgiving stance towards people guilty of harming children and corrupt bishops? I am suggesting that while he is a man who can name and condemn injustice he takes no pleasure in doing so because of his experience of God’s mercy. He wants sinners to repent and be reconciled whoever they may be. When I read the harsh comments on that other blog I come away with the feeling that they actually take pleasure from their condemnations. Victims advocates seem not to even believe in the possibility of mercy for those who have so damaged young people through an egregious abuse of power. And their comments about bishops who colluded with the victimizers are literally merciless. I also would love to see bishops who upon some kind of due process be sacked. But I don’t think that’s an easy thing for this pope to get his mind or heart around. The institutional church has experienced well deserved and costly consequences for the crimes so many tried to cover up. But when I read the polling data, I don’t see anywhere the level of disdain reflected in the other blog. Rather it seems most people have had their hopes raised because he speaks of the kind of church they want and believe in. Am I the only person who can see this vast difference in perspective?

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    1. Jack Rakosky

      @Jack Feehily – comment #12:

      They are obviously dismissing all his talk about mercy and forgiveness. But why? Why would he take an unforgiving stance towards people guilty of harming children and corrupt bishops?

      Well you have put your finger on a deep concern of mine (and I suspect many others) about Francis from the very beginning. I have never been impressed with his talk about being a sinner, and his emphasis upon confession and mercy. I doubt if many others have been since this Pew Report says that Catholics have been going to confession LESS often.

      While some gay and divorced people may be hoping for better treatment by church officials out of the “mercy” language, I doubt many people want mercy to be applied to corrupt bishops. Also most Catholics do not think that contraception, remarriage after divorce, or long term gay relationships are necessarily sinful. Most Catholics likely view all childhood sexual abuse as sinful.

      Moreover childhood sexual abuse by priests is a deep betrayal of the trust put in them by People of God and by the people of the United States since the church is a vast beneficiary of legal privileges. The things these priests did were illegal as well as immoral. This all gets back to the notion of Catholic Pride that I have been articulating. People see the behavior of bishops and many priests as deeply inconsistent with their pride in Catholicism, perhaps even as Americans. The Pope, the bishops and priests really have to deal with that. I doubt mercy and forgiveness is the way.

      Mercy and forgiveness is what got us into this problem in the beginning with the idea that it could be dealt with as matter of the confessional and discipline perhaps with the aid of some professional counseling. Catholics and Americans want accountability not mercy and forgiveness in this area.

      Really Francis has neglected the sexual abuse issue for most of a year. Why? This is not accidental or the mistake of a underling. Francis is a…

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      1. Jack Rakosky

        @Jack Rakosky – comment #21:
        Really Francis has neglected the sexual abuse issue for most of a year. Why? This is not accidental or the mistake of a underling. Francis is a very intelligent and creative person so perhaps he has a long term plan. But he is human, a sinner; maybe he made a lot of mistakes in this area as a bishop and so is reluctant to make other bishop’s accountable.

        My point here, and in my previous comments is that bishops and priests are sadly mistaken if they think Francis or even the media is in control of the “Francis” effect; it is far more contingent upon the Catholic Pride of both Catholics and non-Catholics.

        Bishops and priests should face the sexual abuse issue even if Francis is not, e.g. they need to help him fire Finn. If they look the other way as they have in the past, then the “Francis effect” may prove to be a temporary media phenomenon rather than a long term return of Catholic Pride.

  8. crystal watson

    Jack,

    As someone who was abused as a kid (not by a priest) I can understand the comments made on the other blog you mention. I too am disappointed in what Francis said about sex abuse in his recent interview. And I too would like to see those who covered up sex abuse (Mahony, Law, Brady, Finn, etc.) be punished for what they did, even that only means getting fired.

    Mercy? If those people who were abused because of the cover-ups choose to forgive those who’s acts made their abuse possible, then that’s up to them. But it’s not Francis’ place to do so … he’s not a victim in this scenario.

    If anyone deserves mercy, as well as justice, it’s the people who were abused. Most of them have lives that are forever changed for the worse and many of them have committed suicide … “Clergy Sex Abuse Linked To 13 Suicides: Report” … http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/10/church-sex-abuse-linked-t_n_712094.html

    A recent poll showed that 70% of US Catholics thought that sex abuse was the most important issue for the church … http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/06/most-u-s-catholics-call-addressing-clergy-sex-abuse-a-top-priority/

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    1. Dale Rodrigue

      @crystal watson – comment #13:
      Crystal+1 and God Bless!

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  9. Bill deHaas

    Thanks, Crystal…well said, balanced, and to the point.

    Fr. Jack – one other thing….all for mercy/forgiveness but, like in the old manuals, forgiveness entails two things – sorrow for the sin but also firm purpose to fix the wrong (this is what you do not see when current system/bishops are not held accountable). This violates the *traditional* understanding of forgiveness and reconciliation.

    Sorry, Francis has little experience in this area and now appears to have little background or knowledge (unfortunately). Abuse victims are just another example of the *poor* and those on the *periphery*. And his statements sounded too much like the very *clericalism* he has spoken out against in other settings and issues. Whether we like it or not, this is an area where we need to see *justice* which requires openness, transparency, shared knowledge, etc. It is sad that some nations have had to resort to national truth and reconciliation hearings in order to *force* the church to seek justice.

    We continue to experience current bishops who make mistakes; apologize, and then go right on repeating the same mistakes.

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  10. Chris Grady

    You mention the popularity of Pope Francis and soon-to-be-Saint John Paul II in relation to Mass attendance.

    When Papa Wojtyla went to Sydney, Australia in 1986 he celebrated Mass at Randwick Racecourse with an enormous crowd and of course had blanket media coverage. The burden of his homily (aimed at people who’d stopped going to Mass) was “Come back. The Church loves you.”

    Then he went back to the Vatican, and more superstardom, death, (and with unseemly haste) beatification, and (next month) canonization, and all the while Mass attendance in Australia continued to plummet.

    Fifteen years after that visit George Pell went to Sydney as archbishop, and despite the appearance he gave (‘Behold, I have restored true Catholicism in Australia, as I told you I would’) when Benedict XVI celebrated Mass at the very same racecourse in 2008, Mass attendance continued to plummet, as it did throughout Benedict’s tragic reign.

    So it’s not a new thing, not a Francis thing, not a pope thing, not a bishop thing, not a left-right divide thing: people just don’t seem to ‘go for’ going to Mass the way they once did.

    (And maybe it’s not all about Mass attendance anyway: maybe it’s about all of us being more truly aware of how very merciful God is, even about the words ‘mercy’ and ‘God’ being used in the same sentence without constant reference to a deranged Polish nun.)

    And maybe it’s the same for Francis as Cardinal Tucci once said about the adoring hordes of ‘JP2 youth’ at WYD Rome 2000: ‘they love the singer, they’re just not interested in his song.’

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  11. Jack Feehily

    I also suffered abuse as a child though not from a priest, so I can identify with the pain. I also want to see the system of governance radically altered so as to contain structures of accountability. I’d be pleasantly astonished were the pope to banish law back to Boston or to retire Finn in KC. But we are a church fashioned of living stones, a church of deeply flawed sinners in each of whom a change of heart must take place if God is going to succeed in making us prophets and saints. I believe that the heart of Francis belongs to God and through his ministry many hearts will change. I know he’s only a mortal like the rest of us, but he happens to be in a position to influence others.
    BILL, I’ve been confessing my sins and hearing confessions for a long time and always, before administering penance and absolution, ask penitents if they are sorry enough to begin turning away from these sins. Whether they do so is on their conscience. Both laxism and rigorism need to be avoided.

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  12. Bill deHaas

    Agree, Fr. Jack. But the issue of sexual abusers is complex – criminal behaviors, mental illness, etc. And need to separate *forgiveness* from *accountability, responsibility to protect* and separate what we do in confession from what we do civilly when criminal acts happen. As a mental illness, what we do know is that we don’t have a cure; it appears in most cases to have a high rate of recidivism and treatment may or may not alleviate the behaviors. (not unlike certain alcoholics who drive when impaired and have patterns of injuring or killing victims in accidents and then repeating these acts. We know it is, at the core, a medical/behavioral condition but that can’t be the only response. In some ways, Mother Against Drunk Driving and SNAP have common goals but address different conditions) So, not sure it is as easy as laxism or rigorism in confession.

    Abusers – given 30 years in the mental health field, have to say that we are just beginning to understand abusers and mental illness. And clerical abusers and their behaviors run the gamut from criminal to acting out behaviors. What we do know is that the criminal behaviors need to be addressed (not covered up). And the church has not yet figured out a way forward…..clerical abusers (laicization is not the easy answer; the bishop and Rome merely washing their hands. It is one response to victims but is it the best? And seriously question whether bishops can just run away from clerical abusers – what is ther responsiblities to the abuser, to society, etc. Religious orders put abusers into safety plans within the community – Bishops/Rome?

    Finally, think we need to separate what and how we respond to clerical abusers and bishops’ behaviors. Yep, complexity. So, forgive a clerical abuser but we also have episcopal behaviors e.g. cover-up; re-assigning abusers; etc.

    http://www.awrsipe.com/Doyle/2010/2010-08-27-reflections.htm

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  13. crystal watson

    I do understand about trying to change people’s hearts rather than just dumping them. It would be easier to believe that’s what Francis wants to do if he had not already dumped people like John Dear and Greg Reynolds.

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  14. Jack Feehily

    Bill, I’m not talking about showing mercy to a priest offender instead of calling the police first and the chancery second. An untold number of these priest may have died in ther sins after a life tinged by misery. Lots of them have been jailed and are rotting in prison. Others have been defrocked or forbidden to exercise public ministry. Still others may have escaped apprehension but forced to give up victimizing minors. Among these are some men who have experienced a change of heart and who have made efforts to make amends. But I don’t know who has and who hasn’t. The victims advocates lump everyone into the non-human, not worthy of redemption category. It is that to which I take exception. I actually know a handful of these men. All of them are paying the consequences for their sick and criminal acts. They are in my prayers.
    As for the attitude towards bishops who made horrible judgments by moving priests around or by otherwise minimizing or overlooking their actions…like Law, Mahony, Finn, McCormack, Bevilaqua, et al? All but one of them is dead or retired. What pleasure should be derived from continuing to vilify them. They are villains but I don’t regard any of them as incapable of mercy and redemption. Rather than curse the darkness, I believe that Francis and his successors can initiate changes in church governance that will make it far more likely that humble, honest, pastoral, even holy men can become bishops. The castigators strike me as advancing with pitch forks ready to run through anyone wearing a mitre. Denouncing injustice can be prophetic, but changing one’s heart takes humility and openness.

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  15. Dale Rodrigue

    I think we are dealing with three things, sin, abuse and coverup
    All abuse is a sin as well as covering it up. We can forgive the sin of abuse but that doesn’t mean that all is well. When a thief is caught, we can forgive the sin but he still goes to jail. In the same way you can’t forgive a diabetic to cure them.
    Then there is the cover up. Most people can wrap their mind around abuse as an illness but the willful cover up by representatives of an institution that claims to be divine is just gut turning. And the excuse that, well, there is more abuse in other institutions and homes is just lame. None of them claim to be divinely instituted. As such the divinely instituted Church needs the be held to a higher standard.
    There are some issues here that we also need to consider. Some bishops were told by psychologists that some abusers have “been cured” but by and large many bishops it appears used this just as an excuse to transfer pedophile priest even when they continuously abused. They should have known better…..

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    1. Bill deHaas

      @Dale Rodrigue – comment #23:
      Thanks, Dale…..if I may and to be fair to Fr. Jack’s reply to me….understand his reaction to some of the obvious pain, outrage, and outspoken language that some commenters direct to certain bishops, priests, etc.
      Come at this a little differently – Fr. Jack makes a good point about the vitriol and will agree with his stance on forgiveness, etc. But, given that agreement, I happen to also extend mercy and forgiveness to those who react with anger, vitriol, etc. (because that may be all that they feel they have left to them….and this gets to your points, Dale). So, I do not judge but extend forgiveness and mercy to those commenters. (and let’s face it, without those brave victims and the media/certain lawyers, the church would have continued to fail the community)

      Finally, IMO, the sacrament of reconciliation has a number of aspects and is much more than just an indiviudal confession of sins – in fact, as a sacrament it is a communal sacrament. That is what is missing for me in Fr. Jack’s stance. Thus, all sin is communal and hurts the body of Christ; thus, beyond individual confession, you must have not just a verbal promise to make amends; you must have actions. That is what is missing in too many of these *cases* involving bishops who covered up – where is the personal commitment that takes action to repair the body of Christ? (e.g. Cardinal Law – agree that his forgiveness and judgment is in the hands of God; but, beyond that, there was reparation to fix the body of Christ. And whether we delete the names of no long dead cardinals/bishops, any commenter could easily replace those names with current bishops/cardinals who have failed the body of Christ e.g. Mahoney, George, Egan, Dolan, Neinstedt, Finn, Carlson, and one could go on and on.
      IMO, will offer mercy and tolerance to those who speak out – that is also part of the Body of Christ….and silence is merely a sin of omission and comission.

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  16. Dale Rodrigue

    Jack R. I agree with the Francis Effect. Eventually the honeymoon period will be over. Eventually we will want to see some concrete action. Francis has received nothing but good press but as we know it is a double edged sword. Eventually if no actions are taken then the media will turn on him. IMO the sex abuse scandal is so widespread that most clerics including bishops have been tainted. I agree, Francis is intelligent, why is he silent on the issue unless he himself is tainted. Possibly there is an abuse cabal in the curia? B16 folded too quickly because of the curia and I think there is more going on behind the scenes unfortunately.

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  17. Charles Day

    Touching briefly on the issue of personal prayer being “up” and attendance being “down” in spite of Francis’ popularity, I think that stat has to be considered along with the great number of people of a variety of faiths that identify themselves as spiritual but do not regularly attend church services. It’s not just Catholics.

    There is a lot of evidence that suggests that we human beings are hard-wired into the spiritual. For example, anthropologists tell us that no culture is godless. I don’t think that is an accident. But we can all be spiritual without actually attending a formal service. So, why do any of us go to church?

    In my case – and I suspect many Catholics – it is because we can see value in community worship. We believe that we are part of the Mystical Body and that we join in worship not only with each other, but also with all the Angels and Saints, and that we can not simply do that by ourselves at home. I also believe that the VII push for full, active and conscious participation is partly intended to further this idea. But for that concept – and the receipt of the Eucharist – I could be perfectly happy praying at home.

    It’s a difficult concept for a lot of people. Francis can have spectacular public opinion numbers, but it will take more than that – and more time than a year – for those who have been satisfied with their spirituality to see that attending Mass is worth the effort.

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  18. Ed Nash

    I don’t think we are seeing a jump in Mass attendance because as Tip O’Neill would say “All politics is local.”

    If I listen to Francis, choose to go back to my parish because of his inspiration, and listen to some un-inspired homily on the new evangelization that tells me my catechesis is faulty and they need money to make my church pretty again then I stop going.

    Until the leaders of the US Church start to address the issues of the faith with a listening attitude, then the Francis fans will have their hopes dashed when local (US) bishops and pastors hint that Francis is throwing seeds of confusion for the faithful.

    The paradigm shift of ascent to power in the institution has so radically changed in 12 months that messages are getting crossed but if indeed Catholics are seeing an uptick in prayers then the Francis Effect is dead on. Thank you Holy Spirit.

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