{"id":64255,"date":"2024-05-22T08:40:30","date_gmt":"2024-05-22T13:40:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/?p=64255"},"modified":"2024-05-22T08:40:32","modified_gmt":"2024-05-22T13:40:32","slug":"pope-francis-says-no-to-women-deacons","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2024\/05\/22\/pope-francis-says-no-to-women-deacons\/","title":{"rendered":"Pope Francis says \u201cno\u201d to women deacons?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">During a <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/video\/pope-francis-the-first-with-norah-odonnell\/\">60 Minutes interview<\/a><\/em> with CBS journalist Norah O\u2019Donnell, Pope Francis responded \u201cNo\u201d to the question [paraphrased here]: will a little girl ever grow up to become a deacon and a clergy member in the Church?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This response might feel a little surprising, particularly since so much discussion has surrounded women\u2019s roles in recognized ministry\u2014from institution as catechists (<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/motu_proprio\/documents\/papa-francesco-motu-proprio-20210510_antiquum-ministerium.html\">Antiquum Ministerium<\/a><\/em>) and inclusion as instituted lectors and acolytes (<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/motu_proprio\/documents\/papa-francesco-motu-proprio-20210110_spiritus-domini.html\">Spiritus Domini<\/a><\/em>), both in 2021, to the commission invited to revisit the question of permanent diaconate, most recently, in 2020 following the <a href=\"http:\/\/secretariat.synod.va\/content\/sinodoamazonico\/en\/news\/closing-of-the-works-of-the-amazon-synod--words-of-his-holiness-.html\">Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazon region<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But what did Pope Francis <em>say <\/em>in this most recent interview?\u00a0 According to the translation offered by the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicnewsagency.com\/news\/257757\/pope-francis-on-female-deacons-no\">Catholic News Agency,<\/a> \u201cIf it is deacons with holy orders, no.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Let\u2019s notice that Pope Francis may be assuming some distinction within the <em>diaconate<\/em> (already somewhat confused by the presence of both \u201cpermanent\u201d and \u201ctransitional\u201d iterations).  <br><br>Let&#8217;s ask the question this way:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cShall women\u2019s presence be included within &#8216;holy orders,&#8217; or shall women serve as deacons in, say, catechetical, liturgical, or perhaps pastoral-ministerial functions (e.g., visits to the sick, spiritual direction, etc.)?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What do you think his answer would be?\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A \u201cnon-ordered\u201d diaconate?\u00a0 Perhaps Pope Francis is imagining women\u2019s service within the diaconate as part of the widening of instituted ministries which included the lay faithful, following Paul VI\u2019s motu proprio, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ewtn.com\/catholicism\/library\/ministeria-quaedam-9006\">Ministeria Quaedam<\/a> <\/em>(1972), which recast \u201cminor orders\u201d as \u201cministries\u201d which could be entrusted to the lay faithful.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pope Francis clearly has this on his mind.  In 2021, he addressed this distinction between ordained and instituted ministries:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>\u201cIn some cases a ministry has its origin in a specific sacrament, the Sacred Order: it pertains to the &#8216;ordained&#8217; ministries, of the bishop, the priest, the deacon. In other cases the ministry is entrusted, with a liturgical act of the bishop, to a person who has received Baptism and Confirmation and in whom specific charisms are recognized, after an appropriate journey of preparation: we then speak of &#8216;instituted&#8217; ministries.<\/em>\u201d<em> (<a href=\"https:\/\/press.vatican.va\/content\/salastampa\/en\/bollettino\/pubblico\/2021\/01\/11\/210112b.html\">Letter of the Holy Father Francis to the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on access of women to the ministries of Lector and Acolyte, 11.01.2021<\/a>)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pope Francis directly referenced Paul VI\u2019s 1972 motu proprio again, in his 50<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary message on that document (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/messages\/pont-messages\/2022\/documents\/20220815-messaggio-ministeria-quaedam.html\">in 2022<\/a>), when he observed that the Spirit was \u201cat work wherever our obedient listening is open\u201d to its activity, and that <em>Ministeria Quaedam\u00a0<\/em>\u201copened the door to a renewed experience of the ministerial reality of the faithful, reborn in the waters of baptism, confirmed by the seal of the Spirit and nourished by the living Bread come down from heaven.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Why must we assume that because the Pope says \u201cno,\u201d we have no choice but to take our ideological corners and judge what the Church \u201cis\u201d or \u201cis not\u201d?\u00a0 Notice what he says in this same 2022 Letter:\u00a0 <br><br><em>\u201c&#8230;I would like in the coming months, and <\/em>in ways yet to be defined [emphasis added]<em>, to initiate a dialogue with the Episcopal Conferences on the subject <\/em>[of ministries]<em>, in order to share the richness of the Church\u2019s ministerial experiences in these past fifty years, both with instituted ministries (readers, acolytes and more recently catechists) and with extraordinary and de facto ministries.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It seems that we should keep open and listening hearts as to how we are called to live and serve as the Church in the world.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As for today, I might dare to advance that the question really at stake isn\u2019t so much women\u2019s recognized roles in ministry.\u00a0 Women have clearly been at the service of the living God long before any disciples fled or confusedly tried to convince Jesus he would not suffer and die as the Messiah.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Perhaps the real question raised by Pope Francis is how we understand this strange animal\u2014once described by my permanent deacon formator friend as \u201cthe sheepdog for the shepherds\u201d\u2014the order of deacons.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>KATHARINE E. 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Harmon, Ph.D., is Project Director for the Obsculta Preaching Initiative at Saint John\u2019s School of Theology and Seminary in Collegeville, Minnesota. \u202fA Roman Catholic pastoral liturgist and American Catholic historian, Harmon is a graduate of the University of Notre Dame\u2019s liturgical studies program.\u202f She has contributed over a dozen articles and chapters to the fields of both liturgical studies and American Catholicism.\u202f She is the author of\u202f There Were Also Many Women There: Lay Women in the Liturgical Movement in the United States, 1926-1959\u202f(Collegeville: Liturgical Press, 2013) and\u202fMary and the Liturgical Year: A Pastoral Resource\u202f (Chicago: Liturgy Training Publications, 2023). She edits the blog, Pray Tell.","url":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/author\/kharmon\/"}]}},"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/women-deacons-mosaic.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/64255","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/55"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=64255"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/64255\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":64259,"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/64255\/revisions\/64259"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/64257"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=64255"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=64255"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=64255"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}