{"id":62060,"date":"2023-08-19T07:17:53","date_gmt":"2023-08-19T12:17:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/?p=62060"},"modified":"2023-09-11T18:56:44","modified_gmt":"2023-09-11T23:56:44","slug":"calling-all-geometricians","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2023\/08\/19\/calling-all-geometricians\/","title":{"rendered":"Calling all Geometricians"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Prior to Vatican II there was little emphasis on the breaking of the Eucharistic Bread.\u00a0 Indeed, in the Tridentine Order of Mass the faithful never saw the broken Host (the celebrant showed them one of the small precut Hosts). Thus the ancient Biblical understanding of the Eucharist as being the breaking of the bread (<em>fractio panis<\/em>) was lost.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This changed, at least on paper, with the post-Conciliar reform of the liturgy.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Although it is rarely complied with, the current <em>General Instruction of the Roman Missal<\/em> (GIRM) prefers that Catholics receive Communion that has been Consecrated at the liturgy they are attending and seems to express a preference for administering Communion in the form of a broken piece of the Eucharistic Bread that the priest has received from.\u00a0 Number 321 of the GIRM says:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">By reason of the sign, it is required that the material for the Eucharistic Celebration truly have the appearance of food. Therefore, it is desirable that the Eucharistic Bread, even though unleavened and made in the traditional form, be fashioned in such a way that the Priest at Mass with the people is truly able to break it into parts and distribute these to at least some of the faithful. However, small hosts are not at all excluded when the large number of those receiving Holy Communion or other pastoral reasons call for them. Moreover, the gesture of the fraction or breaking of bread, which was quite simply the term by which the Eucharist was known in apostolic times, will bring out more clearly the force and importance of the sign of the unity of all in the one bread, and of the sign of charity by the fact that the one bread is distributed among the brothers and sisters.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">However, I would say that the vast, vast majority of Catholics receive Communion not only from the Tabernacle, but from the \u201cexceptional\u201d small hosts.\u00a0 While the GIRM is clear that such exceptions exist dure to \u201clarge numbers\u201d of communicants and other pastoral reasons.\u00a0 Aside from the excuse of \u201cpastoral reasons\u201d (the Latin Church\u2019s equivalent of the Eastern Church\u2019s \u201cEconomy\u201d), I hope that all can agree that few parishes, at least in the Western world, have to struggle with \u201clarge numbers.\u201d\u00a0 Therefore I am posing the question in this post, how can we allow for communicants to receive a Host that is broken?<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The clearest solution that I have come across, is to simply use many of the traditional \u201cpriest\u2019s Host\u201d that is often broken in 4 pieces.\u00a0 They cost a little more, but if a ciborium of pre-broken \u201cpriest\u2019s Hosts\u201d are consecrated, it is difficult to tell if the piece you receive was broken during the liturgy you are attending or in the sacristy prior to the service.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The other option that I come across more frequently is a bigger host that can break into 24 pieces.\u00a0 I include photos of one that I took from a sacristy in New Jersey (and which was not consecrated before or after the photos). Here in Ireland a similar Host is available, but it is somewhat smaller (and even more difficult to use).<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2023\/08\/19\/calling-all-geometricians\/img_8462-copy\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-62061\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-62061\" src=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-400x400.jpeg 400w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-768x768.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-1536x1536.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-2048x2048.jpeg 2048w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-45x45.jpeg 45w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-24x24.jpeg 24w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-48x48.jpeg 48w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-96x96.jpeg 96w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a> \u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2023\/08\/19\/calling-all-geometricians\/img_8468-copy\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-62062\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-62062\" src=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8468-copy-225x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8468-copy-225x300.jpeg 225w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8468-copy-300x400.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8468-copy-768x1024.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8468-copy-1152x1536.jpeg 1152w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8468-copy-1536x2048.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8468-copy-scaled.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px\" \/>\u00a0 <\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2023\/08\/19\/calling-all-geometricians\/img_8466-copy\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-62063\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-62063\" src=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8466-copy-300x226.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"226\" srcset=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8466-copy-300x226.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8466-copy-531x400.jpeg 531w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8466-copy-768x578.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8466-copy-100x75.jpeg 100w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8466-copy.jpeg 1434w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The main problem that I have with this type of host, is that Eucharistic Ministers find them difficult to administer and very frequently they are left behind and more and more of them end up in the Reserved Species in the Tabernacle.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Personally I try to solve this problem, by breaking the host into 8 or 12 pieces.\u00a0 But this is more difficult as there are break lines that tend to break into the smaller fractions.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2023\/08\/19\/calling-all-geometricians\/img_8470-copy\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-62067\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-62067\" src=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8470-copy-300x265.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"265\" srcset=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8470-copy-300x265.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8470-copy-453x400.jpeg 453w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8470-copy-768x678.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8470-copy-1536x1357.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8470-copy-2048x1809.jpeg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>\u00a0 <\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2023\/08\/19\/calling-all-geometricians\/img_8464-copy-2\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-62068\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-62068\" src=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8464-copy-2-300x294.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"294\" srcset=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8464-copy-2-300x294.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8464-copy-2-409x400.jpeg 409w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8464-copy-2-768x752.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8464-copy-2-1536x1503.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8464-copy-2-45x45.jpeg 45w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8464-copy-2-24x24.jpeg 24w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8464-copy-2-48x48.jpeg 48w, https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8464-copy-2.jpeg 1725w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I have occasionally seen similar sized hosts that have no break lines.\u00a0 But I am wondering here, if anybody knows of a better type of existing host that elegantly meets the requirements of the GIRM? Alternatively, not being mathematically inclined, I wonder if any of our readership can propose an as yet untried geometric solution to the problem?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Prior to Vatican II there was little emphasis on the breaking of the Eucharistic Bread.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":84,"featured_media":62061,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[3149,19],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-62060","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-do-it-rite","category-mass"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Calling all Geometricians - Home<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2023\/08\/19\/calling-all-geometricians\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Calling all Geometricians - Home\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Prior to Vatican II there was little emphasis on the breaking of the Eucharistic Bread.\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2023\/08\/19\/calling-all-geometricians\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Home\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2023-08-19T12:17:53+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2023-09-11T23:56:44+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/IMG_8462-copy-scaled.jpeg\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:width\" content=\"2560\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:height\" content=\"2560\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:type\" content=\"image\/jpeg\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Fr. 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