{"id":60685,"date":"2022-09-05T17:39:54","date_gmt":"2022-09-05T22:39:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/?p=60685"},"modified":"2022-09-19T00:47:01","modified_gmt":"2022-09-19T05:47:01","slug":"from-the-wires-traditionalist-flights-of-fancy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2022\/09\/05\/from-the-wires-traditionalist-flights-of-fancy\/","title":{"rendered":"From the Wires: Traditionalist Flights of Fancy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>With gratitude, we post the following from\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/wherepeteris.com\/traditionalist-flights-of-fancy\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">wherepeteris.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Commentary: Traditionalist flights of fancy<br \/>\nBy Mike Lewis<\/h3>\n<p>SEPTEMBER 3, 2022. There\u2019s something in human nature that motivates us to imagine ways of getting out of impossible binds, solving the unsolvable, or that allow us to go back in time to undo the undesirable situations where we find ourselves. When we have a freak injury or if we cause a car accident, we might play that scenario over and over again in our heads, wishing to have that split second back and avoid all the trouble that followed. At other times, we might daydream about fictional future situations where we win the lottery, become famous or wealthy, or imagine an unrequited crush finally reciprocating our love.<\/p>\n<p>Most of us eventually learn to keep our imaginations in check, although anyone who buys a lottery ticket or pushes the button on a slot machine, likely gives themself a moment to consider what\u00a0<em>might be<\/em>. Creatives have channeled these impulses into their art, from the\u00a0<em>deus ex machina<\/em>\u00a0in Ancient Greek drama to superhero comics to romantic comedies. Just think about how many soap operas and serialized television shows have brought characters back from the dead in so many different ways, contrasting that with the real-life experience of losing a loved one.<\/p>\n<p>Certainly some people win the lottery or become famous athletes or movie stars. But maintaining a sense of reality and maturity requires us to remain grounded in the real world and to avoid being daydream believers. Unfortunately, this groundedness seems to be lacking in much of the contemporary Catholic traditionalist movement \u2013 not only in the widespread acceptance of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wherepeteris.com\/the-synthesis-of-all-catholic-conspiracy-theory-part-1\/\">conspiracy<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wherepeteris.com\/the-mad-world-of-conspiracy-theory-catholicism\/\">theories<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wherepeteris.com\/conspiracism-and-creationism\/\">and<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wherepeteris.com\/when-catholics-resist-both-faith-and-science\/\">pseudoscience<\/a>\u00a0by its members, but in the way they perceive the possibilities for the future of the Catholic Church.<\/p>\n<p>Such fantasy ideas have been around for a while, but Pope Francis seems to have motivated people who hold such ideas to share them openly. For example, in the past\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wherepeteris.com\/followers-of-the-imagisterium\/\">I have mentioned<\/a>\u00a0a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20170822091243\/https:\/catholicherald.co.uk\/news\/2017\/08\/18\/leading-theologian-change-canon-law-to-correct-papal-errors\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2017 speech<\/a>\u00a0by Dominican theologian Aidan Nichols in which he suggested that Canon Law should be amended to create \u201ca procedure for calling to order a pope who teaches error.\u201d Nichols did admit that there currently exists no process \u201cfor enquiry into the case of a pope believed to have taught doctrinal error,\u201d and also conceded, \u201cmuch less is there provision for a trial.\u201d Since then, Nichols has gone even further off the deep end,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wherepeteris.com\/we-cannot-take-our-faithfulness-for-granted\/\">signing a letter<\/a>\u00a0accusing Pope Francis of heresy. As of December 2020, he was still teaching seminarians (in Jamaica), despite never having retracted his accusations.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s interesting that the full address has never been published, but the idea that a juridical body within the Church would have the capacity to judge the orthodoxy of a pope\u2019s teaching is simply incomprehensible in light of Catholic ecclesiology. First of all, who would have such power and how would they be chosen? If the pope has the power to pick the people in the group, then wouldn\u2019t he likely appoint a group of yes-men? Isn\u2019t the pope himself the court of last appeal in the Church? It seems nonsensical on the surface.<\/p>\n<p>Nichols\u2019s proposal, of course, is reminiscent of Cardinal Raymond Burke\u2019s promised \u201cformal act of correction\u201d against Pope Francis if he didn\u2019t retract the official interpretation of his apostolic exhortation\u00a0<em>Amoris Laetitia<\/em>\u00a0(one rumor I\u2019ve heard is that he was unable to find a second active cardinal willing to join him in such a brazen act). Undeterred, Burke has been peddling his own novel reinterpretation of papal primacy, going as far as to insert\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/mariancatechist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/FULLNESS-OF-POWER-edit-Manual2018-FINAL.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a new section<\/a>\u00a0on how to go about correcting a pope into the Marian Catechist\u2019s Manual.<\/p>\n<p>The Marian Catechists are an apostolate started by the late Fr. John Hardon, a prominent conservative Jesuit and sought-after speaker who died in the year 2000. Following his death, Cardinal Burke took on the role of spiritual director of many of his apostolates. Fr. Hardon was a very strong promoter of the primacy and supremacy of the pope. (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.therealpresence.org\/archives\/Video\/0724\/RP0724003.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Click here<\/a>\u00a0to watch him spend an hour and a half condemning Gallicanism and Conciliarism while defending the pope\u2019s absolute authority.) If you think the view of the papacy at Where Peter Is amounts to \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/wherepeteris.com\/trad-resistance-is-old-fashioned-dissent\/\">complete subjectivist irrationalism<\/a>,\u201d Hardon\u2019s view is unabashed pope worship\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wherepeteris.com\/what-would-fr-hardon-say\/\">by comparison<\/a>. And he\u2019s probably rolling in his grave over what Cardinal Burke has done to his catechist\u2019s manual.<\/p>\n<p>Why are the views of Burke and Nichols flights of fancy? Besides being unworkable and totally irreconcilable to Catholic tradition, the motives behind these proposals are obvious (they are prompted by dissent from Pope Francis\u2019s teachings) and they have absolutely no realistic chance of coming true. It appears in their frantic desire to undo Francis\u2019s pontificate, they have lost their grasp on what is actually feasible and what is consistent with the Magisterium.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve seen many bizarre proposals packaged as \u201cthink pieces\u201d in conservative Catholic publications proposing the impossible in recent years. For example, many prominent traditionalists have set an ultimate goal of full \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.newliturgicalmovement.org\/2022\/06\/restoration-not-reform-is-only-way.html#.YxKq8nbMK5c\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">restoration<\/a>\u201d of the Tridentine Rite and suppression of the Vatican II Liturgy as if it is desirable to the Church or even remotely feasible. Archaic and impossible political philosophies are openly championed by many traditionalists. Some trads are full-fledged monarchists or integralists, others seem to think advancing distributism as an economic system in the real world is a good use of their time. Going to an even further extreme, former Crisis editor Michael Warren Davis\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/thedispatch.com\/p\/the-road-to-serfdom-is-paved-with\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">wrote a book<\/a>\u00a0that promotes feudalism as idyllic and romanticizes the life of a medieval serf.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t quite understand why traditionalists spend so much time on ideas that they might consider Catholic but that the Catholic Church itself has not embraced since early in the industrial age. Traditionalists might bristle at the notion that their preoccupations are similar to live action roleplaying (LARPing), but how else can one describe the way much of their time is wound up in ideas, not realities.<\/p>\n<p>And sometimes these ideas are as misogynistic (and at times creepy) as they are unrealistic. One particularly strange essay entitled, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/onepeterfive.com\/should-women-be-lectors-at-mass\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Should Women Be Lectors at Mass?<\/a>\u201d was (wisely) originally published under a pseudonym. Written in the form of a Thomistic disputation, it features what the author apparently believes are rock-solid arguments against women doing the readings at Mass \u2014 such as, \u201cfor a woman to be proclaiming the Word is self-contradictory: it makes the female who receives the seed the male who issues the seed.\u201d And who can forget the aforementioned Michael Warren Davis\u2019s\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wherepeteris.com\/reaching-crisis-levels\/\">article condemning women\u2019s suffrage<\/a>, in which he argued, \u201cAny sober and dispassionate mind must conclude that giving ladies the right to vote was the single greatest catastrophe in the history of our storied republic.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In these two cases, the authors make proposals so unrealistic and impossible to implement in the real world that it\u2019s hard to imagine what motivated them to advance them publicly, other than perhaps to offend. In the former case, at least the author had the good sense to use a pseudonym, but then a few years later he republished it, revealing himself to be Peter Kwasniewski. Then it all made sense.<\/p>\n<p>On the evening of July 15 last year, I happened to watch\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/remnant-tv.com\/video\/404\/peter-kwasniewski-beyond-summorum-pontificum-retrieving-the-tridentine-heritage-1?channelName=RemnantTV\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a video<\/a>\u00a0of a presentation that had been delivered a couple of weeks prior by Dr. Kwasniewski. In the speech, entitled \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/rorate-caeli.blogspot.com\/2021\/07\/beyond-summorum-pontificum-work-of.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Beyond\u00a0<em>Summorum Pontificum<\/em>: The Work of Retrieving the Tridentine Heritage<\/a>,\u201d he described what he believed to be the \u201cweak points\u201d of Pope Benedict XVI\u2019s 2007 motu proprio liberalizing use of the older form of the Mass. By the end of this hour-long lecture, Kwasniewski had deconstructed the entire document, blasting every word from Benedict that even implied support for the Second Vatican Council or the liturgical reform, even saying, \u201cit would not be too much to say that there are fictions, even lies, in the document.\u201d He argues that the permissions granted by Benedict were \u201cuseful to our movement in the way that an enormous booster rocket is useful for launching a spaceship into orbit: it has a lot of raw power, but it can only do so much, and when it\u2019s empty, it falls away.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kwasniewski describes the liturgical reforms as \u201cwicked\u201d and the new rite as \u201cdeviant.\u201d He even questions the licety of the reformed liturgical rites. He calls for a return to the 1920 Missal (rather than the 1962 Missal, which is too modernist for his tastes), decrying the changes made by Pope Pius XII in the 1950s as corruptions. In the event that Pope Francis decided to abrogate\u00a0<em>Summorum Pontificum<\/em>, Kwasniewski issues a battle cry: \u201cIf the pope will not honor tradition and pass it down without meddling and messing with it, we, for our part, are compelled by love of our genealogy, our family inheritance, our dignity as sons of God and heirs to His kingdom, to defend Catholic tradition, uphold it, live it, and hand it on, intact.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Towards the end of the lecture, the thought that rang loudly in my mind was \u201c<em>Pope Benedict made a terrible mistake!<\/em>\u201d Then the next morning, I woke up to news of\u00a0<em>Traditionis Custodes<\/em>. I must confess to having had a feeling of relief. But what was Kwasniewski thinking when he gave that speech? I was left with a question: with\u00a0<em>Summorum Pontificum<\/em>\u00a0facing its demise in the near future, why would he double down on publicly advocating the views that had led to its impending abrogation?<\/p>\n<p>What did Kwasniewski imagine he was trying to accomplish? In what reality was he helping his cause (assuming his cause is for people to have access to the Latin Mass)? Pope Francis\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/speeches\/2013\/september\/documents\/papa-francesco_20130921_intervista-spadaro.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">in 2013 described<\/a>\u00a0<em>Summorum Pontificum<\/em>\u00a0as \u201cprudent and motivated by the desire to help people.\u201d He did express concerns, however, saying, \u201cWhat is worrying, though, is the risk of the ideologization of the<em>\u00a0Vetus Ordo<\/em>, its exploitation.\u201d Francis left the old Mass untouched for eight years while the traditionalist movement, not least of all Kwasniewski, seemed determined to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Francis\u2019s worries were well-founded.<\/p>\n<p>Another traditionalist took a flight of fancy this week, with the publication of the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/magister.blogautore.espresso.repubblica.it\/2021\/10\/26\/fewer-electors-and-more-candidates-the-conclave-of-cardinal-brandmuller%e2%80%99s-dreams\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">leaked text<\/a>\u00a0of an undelivered intervention. It had been prepared by the 93-year-old Cardinal Walter Brandm\u00fcller for the two-day meeting of cardinals in the Vatican on August 29 and 30. It\u2019s likely to his benefit that he was not allowed to deliver his intervention, because its offensive and discriminatory message likely would have drawn much well-deserved criticism from the bulk of the cardinal-electors. In the intervention, he noted that \u201cthe 120 electors, insofar as they come from the periphery, often meet for the first time in the consistories preceding the conclave and so know little or nothing about the college of cardinals and therefore about the candidates, thus lacking a fundamental prerequisite for responsible voting in the conclave.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Cardinal Brandm\u00fcller went on to suggest that the cardinals eligible to vote in a conclave should be limited to those who \u201cshall have spent at least five years in a senior position in the curia of Rome.\u201d He explains his reasoning:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cIndeed, it is all too evident that the current number of 120 cardinal electors, many if not the majority of whom have no experience of Rome, poses various problems. For a college in which the preference is to make cardinals of the heads of peripheral dioceses, it is practically impossible to carry out the aforementioned tasks adequately, even under the conditions allowed by modern communication technologies.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Not only is his proposal an astonishing repudiation of the election of Pope Francis, who never worked in Rome (\u201clet\u2019s make sure\u00a0<em>this<\/em>\u00a0doesn\u2019t happen again\u201d), and not simply because Brandm\u00fcller is essentially condemning the popes of the last century who have very intentionally sought to make the college better reflect the global Church, but that he\u2019s turned \u201cperiphery\u201d into a pejorative. But that\u2019s not all. He\u2019s also saying that it\u2019s better to have a bureaucrat as pope than a pastor. Note also that he\u2019s not suggesting limiting the electors to\u00a0<em>current<\/em>\u00a0curial cardinals, but also to those who have spent five years there in the past, which leaves open the door for a number of cardinals Francis has sent packing but are still taking up space in Rome: Muller, Sarah, and Burke.<\/p>\n<p>Speaking of Cardinal Burke, one of the most absurd and fantastical editorials I\u2019ve read in years was recently published in the Catholic Herald with the headline, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/catholicherald.co.uk\/cardinal-burke-the-dark-horse-in-the-running-to-succeed-pope-francis\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Cardinal Burke: the dark horse in the running to succeed Pope Francis<\/a>.\u201d The article is pure traditionalist fantasy, with astute observations such as \u201cMeanwhile, as Michael Warren Davis argued in the Catholic Herald, there have been rumours of tensions between the Francis-led Vatican and Burke,\u201d curious theories such as, \u201cBurke is often considered the de facto leader of the Church in the US,\u201d and Davis\u2019s claim that \u201cBurke undoubtedly ranks among the top 10 most influential prelates in the Church today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In case it\u2019s unclear to you, Cardinal Burke has no chance of being elected pope. None. According to all accounts he didn\u2019t receive any votes in 2013, despite predictions from the likes of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/taylormarshall.com\/2013\/03\/pope-prediction-10-reasons-cardinal.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Taylor Marshall<\/a>\u00a0that he would be elected. Furthermore, the article suggests that the 78-year-old Cardinal Marc Ouellet is the conservative frontrunner. The Herald\u2019s editorial staff is apparently unaware that by remaining loyal to the pope on issues like\u00a0<em>Amoris Laetitia<\/em>\u00a0and the false accusations of Carlo Maria Vigano, the conservative Canadian is viewed as a leftist by US traditionalists, and has made him\u00a0<em>persona non grata<\/em>\u00a0among dubia-backing conservative Catholics. I could go down the list of absurdities in the article, but that\u2019s not the point.<\/p>\n<p>One frequently hears that today we live in a post-truth world. Unfortunately, it seems that many of our traditionalist brothers and sisters have wholeheartedly succumbed to it. It is impossible to reach common ground until we can agree upon reality. I don\u2019t draw attention to these examples to make fun of them, but so that traditionalists and their supporters might take a second look at these sorts of things and try to assess them rationally and critically. Each of these cases, in its own way, is a form of self-sabotage. It\u2019s long past time that Catholics of all stripes came together to work through the issues that divide us. But it will never happen without a dose of realism.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">***<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"fittexted_for_content_h3\">Note [3 Sept 2022 7:41 EDT]<\/h3>\n<p>Nathan Turowsky took the trouble of doing the counting according to a strict interpretation of Brandm\u00fcller\u2019s guidelines\u00a0\u2014 \u201cwithout exception \u2026 the candidate shall have spent at least five years in a senior position in the curia of Rome.\u201d Eliminating cardinals over 80, by Nathan\u2019s count, a conclave held today\u00a0would be an approximately 23-man affair consisting of Cardinals Bertello, Br\u00e1z de Aviz, Burke, Calcagno, Ca\u00f1izares, Farrell, Filoni, Koch, Krajewski, Ladaria, Mamberti, M\u00fcller, Ouellet, Parolin, Piacenza, Ravasi, Roche, Ry\u0142ko, Sandri, Sarah, Sepe, Turkson, and Versaldi.<\/p>\n<p>There are many notable edge cases that don\u2019t make the cut, such as Filipino Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle, the Pro-Prefect of the Dicastery for Evangelization. Tagle has been a Cardinal for nearly 10 years and voted in the 2013 conclave, but he has been in Rome for less than 3 years. Likewise, Sri Lankan Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith, who served as Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments for three-and-a-half years and as a lower-level official in the Curia, would be excluded. Cardinal Michael Czerny would also be left out, as he has been in Rome for many years, but has only been a bishop and cardinal for three. He was an undersecretary until he was made Prefect of the Dicastery for Promoting Integral Human Development earlier this year.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;It\u2019s long past time that Catholics of all stripes came together to work through the issues that divide us. 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