{"id":36599,"date":"2017-06-11T09:11:00","date_gmt":"2017-06-11T14:11:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/?p=36599"},"modified":"2017-06-11T09:13:58","modified_gmt":"2017-06-11T14:13:58","slug":"notes-on-the-introit-and-collect-of-trinity-sunday","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2017\/06\/11\/notes-on-the-introit-and-collect-of-trinity-sunday\/","title":{"rendered":"Notes on the Introit and Collect of Trinity Sunday"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>The Introit of Trinity Sunday<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>There is an interesting connection between the melody of the introit for today, Trinity Sunday, and that of the First Sunday of Lent. The Feast of the Trinity came into the calendar later historically than the observance of Lent, and obviously the melody from I Lent was adapted to fit the text of the later Trinity introit. I&#8217;m not sure I could have done the adaptation any better myself. But the endeavor\u00a0has limitations by nature.<\/p>\n<p>[gview file=&#8221;<a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Trinity-I-Lent-Introit.pdf&#8221;%5D\">https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Trinity-I-Lent-Introit.pdf&#8221;%5D<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll never forget teaching a summer Gregorian chant course here, when\u00a0one of the students was the very talented now-prior of the monastery of the Holy Cross in Chicago, Fr. Peter Funk OSB. I talked about adaptation and type melodies and showed the class the example of I Lent\/Trinity. Fr. Peter&#8217;s face lit up and he said, &#8220;NOW I know why the introit of Trinity is not quite satisfying!&#8221; Now that&#8217;s a perceptive observation.<\/p>\n<p>Check out the wonderful four-note neume in the I Lent introit on &#8220;eum&#8221; cadencing the first phrase, Alas, that note group had to be made to fit &#8220;atque&#8221;\u00a0at the start of the second phrase in the Trinity introit. It works, but it&#8217;s just ever so slightly clumsy.<\/p>\n<p>As I say, I&#8217;m not sure I could have done better. But the result is less than perfect, as I&#8217;m sure all chant geeks will agree. Chant geeks always agree on everything, right?<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll be watching the combox with interest.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Collect\u00a0of Trinity Sunday<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Pray Tell<\/em> has <a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2013\/05\/20\/collect-for-the-most-holy-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">treated this before<\/a>\u00a0(and also <a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2011\/06\/18\/whoops-heresy-in-that-your-the-collect-for-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>, by Xavier Rindfleisch), but in cased you missed it, there&#8217;s an infelicity in the English translation of the collect for today, Trinity Sunday, in the 2011 English missal.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the Latin:<\/p>\n<p><em>Deus Pater,<br \/>\n<\/em><em>qui, Verbum verit\u00e1tis et Sp\u00edritum sanctificati\u00f3nis<br \/>\n<\/em><em>mittens in mundum,<br \/>\n<\/em><em>admir\u00e1bile myst\u00e9rium tuum hom\u00ednibus decl\u00e1rasti,<br \/>\n<\/em><em>da nobis, in confessi\u00f3ne verae f\u00eddei,<br \/>\n<\/em><em>aet\u00e9rnae gl\u00f3riam Trinit\u00e1tis agn\u00f3scere,<br \/>\n<\/em><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">et Unit\u00e1tem ador\u00e1re<\/span> in pot\u00e9ntia maiest\u00e1tis.<br \/>\n<\/em><em>Per D\u00f3minum.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what our English missal has:<\/p>\n<p>God our Father,\u00a0who by sending into the world<br \/>\nthe Word of truth\u00a0and the Spirit of sanctification<br \/>\nmade known to the human race your wondrous mystery,<br \/>\ngrant us, we pray, that in professing the true faith,<br \/>\nwe may acknowledge the Trinity of eternal glory<br \/>\nand <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">adore your Unity<\/span>, powerful in majesty.<br \/>\nThrough our Lord.<\/p>\n<p>The &#8220;your&#8221; is not in the Latin. And for good reason, in this prayer addressed to the Father, for we do not adore the\u00a0<strong>Father&#8217;s<\/strong> unity, but the unity of the\u00a0<strong>Trinity.\u00a0<\/strong>Anscar Chupungco called this &#8220;disturbing from a theological standpoint&#8221; and &#8220;not an insignificant theological issue.&#8221; The bishops had approved this wording before it was sent to Rome: &#8220;to acknowledge the Trinity of eternal glory, and adore the Unity, powerful in majesty.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Well, let us hope and trust that Fr. Anscar is now with the angels and saints, praising the eternal Trinity in heaven. 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