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Perhaps you saw this AP story<\/a>\u00a0\u2013 I\u2019m quoted in it. I spent a fair amount of time on the phone with the reporter, and rather enjoyed explaining what to him is surely a convoluted and enigmatic topic. It\u2019s always interesting to see how my input get used in the final story, and what from me gets quoted.<\/span><\/p>\n

The challenge for the reporter is to explain in great brevitiy what would require three times the length (or ten times) to nuance it properly. I think he did OK.<\/span><\/p>\n

Of course the Mass dates to the first century with the Last Supper, not to the 15th century. But the story is not entirely wrong in naming the 15th century. The reporter asked me if the old rite dates to the 15th century, and I said that as a matter of fact, that is precisely the century I would name for when it had pretty much arrived at its stable form. I had in mind the point made by Joseph Ratzinger that the old rite is not \u201cTridentine\u201d in the way the new rite is \u201cPauline,\u201d for Paul VI approved a quite new rite, whereas the 1570 missal for the most part codified what was in 15th century manuscripts. (Ratzinger of course was making a larger point about continuity and rupture which I won\u2019t go into here.) One thing would have saved it for the reporter\u2019s wording. Instead of \u201c\u2026the services, which date to the 15th century, this: \u201c\u2026 the services, whose external ritual and ceremonial essentially dates to the 15th century.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Not sure why the reporter named the maniple, of all the things characteristic of the overly complicated old Latin Mass. That didn\u2019t come from me. I thought of mentioning to him, but elected not to, the 20+ blessings of the bread and wine by the priest in the Eucharistic Prayer, now reduced to one. That, or any number of other things, could have been used to describe the old unreformed rite.<\/span><\/p>\n

Of course Vatican II didn\u2019t \u201clargely phase out Latin Masses.\u201d One could always do the new rite in Latin, and still can. I wrote all this in an email. But this is a news story, not a graduate paper, and I think the story is close enough for the author\u2019s purposes. The effect of Vatican II (how it got implemented, what some think was really intended, blah blah blah and I\u2019m not going into that here either), was that Latin Mass pretty well went away in the experience of Catholics.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cLike a medieval opera\u201d \u2013 you know, that\u2019s not a bad characterization. It is true that opera began in the Baroque era and didn\u2019t yet exist in the Middle Ages. But again, this is a news story \u2013 and colorful images oftentimes use poetic license rather than scientific accuracy. And Sister Sullivan would not be making a historical blunder at all if she is referring to any opera from the last couple hundred years set in a medieval era,\u00a0such as e.g. Tannh<\/span>\u00e4user<\/span>.<\/span><\/p>\n

Bishop Peter Libasci offered his reasons for encouraging the old rite. I\u2019ll let you look at that and comment if you wish.<\/span><\/p>\n

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