{"id":24497,"date":"2014-03-04T21:03:14","date_gmt":"2014-03-05T03:03:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/?p=24497"},"modified":"2014-03-04T21:19:31","modified_gmt":"2014-03-05T03:19:31","slug":"prayer-and-indulgence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2014\/03\/04\/prayer-and-indulgence\/","title":{"rendered":"Prayer and indulgence"},"content":{"rendered":"<p dir=\"ltr\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/icraveorganics.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/DSCN0575.jpg\" alt=\"You deserve fresh\" width=\"400\" height=\"300\" \/><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Alan Hommerding and I were having a Vulcan mind meld of sorts yesterday and he actually initiated this topic (thanks!). It stems from another problematic but common attitude I feel the need to \u201cfast from\u201d &#8212; or at least become more aware of &#8212; for Lent this year. It\u2019s the notion that small pleasures are an indulgence &#8212; not, of course, in the penitential sense! Rather, it seems, they serve as little gifts or rewards that I can give myself. Often, as Alan suggested, they are motivational or self-congratulatory, as in, \u201cif I get all this done before 5 I\u2019m getting myself a milkshake.\u201d At other times, as on some baffling parenting blogs, it\u2019s the name for minimal self care, as in, \u201cI indulge myself by making sure I get ten minutes of quiet every day.\u201d<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/myoldadz.com\/images\/sankacoffee19600125.jpg\" alt=\"Sanka coffee ad - indulge yourself!\" width=\"400\" height=\"538\" \/><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Of course, like the idea that fasting is dieting, allowing gifts to slide into (self-) indulgences, and then letting me think that indulgence is the same thing as self care makes it easy for marketers to sell me more, and even more. \u201cIndulge yourself!\u201d \u201cYou deserve it!\u201d Here it is again: it\u2019s good for me!<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wantfrieswiththat.weebly.com\/uploads\/9\/3\/5\/2\/9352657\/5110677_orig.jpg\" alt=\"McDonald's vintage - You deserve a break today.\" width=\"372\" height=\"500\" \/><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">But gifts are gifts, and indulgence is not; it takes the pleasure out of pleasures because it takes the meaning out of them. A gift, in addition to the sensory pleasure of the thing itself (a bar of chocolate, for example), carries an additional pleasure, a kind of surprise and delight that comes from the fact that it goes beyond what I chose for myself. Jean-Luc Marion calls this aspect of gifts their \u201cgivenness\u201d or (later) \u201cexcess.\u201d In that sense a gift captures our experience of being in a relationship, which means being led on, for the sake of the relationship, into being and doing things that are beyond what I would have chosen for myself.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-24498 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/1-DSC_0234.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"383\" height=\"576\" \/><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Hans Urs von Balthasar suggests that a similar experience of superabundant joy, of something akin to our experience of surprise and delight, is the key of the love of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We are, I think, trying to replicate this joy with our self-indulgences, but its easy to end up with addiction rather than connection.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">No need to give up milkshakes (in fact, that might be buying into an image of health that&#8217;s not actually good for me), but I do think I should practice prayerful discernment: allow myself the joyful surprise of becoming aware of God\u2019s gifts (and others), but cut out the poor imitation of self-indulgence. Care for myself as I would for another, the whole body, mind, soul without guilt, but not cultivate unnecessary \u201cneeds.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What does it mean to &#8220;indulge myself&#8221;? 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