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Saturday 13 October 1962<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

In St. Peter\u2019s at 9 am, in the tribune. This time, the bishops were all in purple mantelette<\/em>, but those belonging to religious orders had their own specific color: white, black, grey, and the Eastern Rite bishops had their own particular costume.<\/p>\n

Mass of the Holy Spirit, a low Mass and with dialogue. But the responses from 2,500 breasts was rushed and chaotic. It was quite difficult to follow.<\/p>\n

The secretary went up into the ambo and announced that the bishops were invited to fill in the sixteen spaces with sixteen names from among themselves for each of the ten Commissions. Many of them started at once to write names. However, after some silence, Cardinal Li\u00e9nart (at the presidium [The Council of Presidents, consisting of ten Cardinals, was responsible for chairing the Council meetings.]<\/span><\/em> \u00a0immediately to the right of the first President, Cardinal Tisserant), stood up and read a paper asking for this election to be delayed until Monday or Tuesday, in order to give the bishops time to get to know one another from country to country. This would ensure greater cordiality, greater freedom and confidence, and above all a better selection of names for these Commissions, which were very important. He even suggested a form of procedure: since bishops\u2019 conferences exist in forty-two countries, each of these conferences should suggest a certain number of names, with an indication of the number of dioceses that they encompass. (The paper read by Cardinal Li\u00e9nart on the first day of the First Session had been written by Msgr. Garrone, whose idea it had been. Cardinal Li\u00e9nart did no more than read it.)<\/p>\n

This double suggestion was warmly applauded. A little later, Cardinal Frings stood up to say that he seconded this recommendation in the name of the German and Austrian cardinals.<\/p>\n

After a brief pause, the Secretary of the Council announced that he concurred with this recommendation and that the elections would take place on the following Tuesday.<\/p>\n

This little point was important. To begin with, all points of procedure are important: they involve the work of a group. In this case, the principal importance rests in the fact that THIS IS THE FIRST CONCILIAR <\/em>ACT, a refusal to accept even the possibility of a prefabrication. The bishops had been given, in the same format as the voting papers, a list of those who had been members of the Preparatory PONTIFICAL Commissions: it is likely that many would, to a considerable extent, have copied this list. We would thus have been faced with the same men who had prepared these texts with which the bishops are dissatisfied. Cardinal Li\u00e9nart\u2019s proposal recognized the importance of the Commissions in which the texts will be drawn up. It revealed the bishops\u2019 desire to be free to discuss things, without accepting something that had been prepared in advance by the Curia and its people. It means that the bishops intend to talk and discuss things. Moreover, Cardinal Li\u00e9nart has suggested a procedure which gives reality and importance to the intermediate bodies. Between the supreme head (and his Curia) and the individual bishops, there are intermediate groupings. One of the results of the Council ought to be that of giving them more power and independence. The importance of this was demonstrated on the very first day.<\/p>\n

What I foresaw is happening: the Council itself could well be very different from its preparation.<\/p>\n

Yves Congar, <\/em>My Journal of the Council, pp. 91-92.\u00a0The 1100-page book\u00a0can be purchased from Liturgical Press<\/a>. <\/em>Pray Tell ran the previous (seventh) installment of the journal of Yves Congar<\/a> last week.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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