{"id":19574,"date":"2013-05-16T06:44:30","date_gmt":"2013-05-16T12:44:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/?p=19574"},"modified":"2013-07-09T07:41:14","modified_gmt":"2013-07-09T13:41:14","slug":"the-collect-for-the-mass-of-pentecost-day","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2013\/05\/16\/the-collect-for-the-mass-of-pentecost-day\/","title":{"rendered":"The Collect for the Mass of Pentecost Day"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>by Alan Griffiths<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Collect for Pentecost provides a good example of the difficulties that beset translators working within the constraints of <em>Liturgiam Authenticam<\/em> (LA).<\/p>\n<p>The Latin text is<\/p>\n<p><em>Deus, qui sacramento festivitatis hodiernae<\/em><br \/>\n<em>universam Ecclesiam tuam<\/em><br \/>\n<em>in omni gente et natione sanctificas,<\/em><br \/>\n<em>in totam mundi latitudinem Spiritus Sancti dona defunde,<\/em><br \/>\n<em>et, quod ipsa evangelicae praedicationis exordia<\/em><br \/>\n<em>operata est divina dignatio,<\/em><br \/>\n<em>nunc quoque per credentium corda perfunde.<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Per Dominum.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The complicated construction of the second half of the text <em>et quod ipsa<\/em> \u2026 makes difficult reading in English. The text as we have it is:<\/p>\n<p><strong>O God, who by the mystery of today\u2019s great feast<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>sanctify your whole Church in every people and nation,<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>pour out, we pray, the gifts of the Holy Spirit<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>across the face of the earth<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>and, with the divine grace that was at work<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>when the Gospel was first proclaimed,<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>fill now once more the hearts of believers.<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Through \u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Small details first. The English supplies \u2018great\u2019 in line 1 and \u2018we pray\u2019 in line 3 which are not in the Latin. It would be interesting to know the thinking behind such additions.<\/p>\n<p>LA 57 says that the manner of Latin expression be rendered in the English, without making any attempt to justify this view. In the Pentecost Collect, though, there has been some paraphrasing. <em>Quod <\/em>is fused with <em>divina dignatio<\/em> and becomes concretised as \u2018grace.\u2019 Is this an attempt to ease the complexity of the syntax? It is certainly not blameworthy.<\/p>\n<p>However, the resulting construction of the second half beginning at <em>and, with<\/em> \u2026 while elegant in the Latin, still sounds clumsy in English and takes some effort to proclaim effectively. The gap between <em>with the divine grace<\/em> and <em>fill now<\/em> makes effective speaking difficult, though not impossible.<\/p>\n<p>Complicated constructions such as this were traditionally addressed (cf. <em>Book of Common Prayer<\/em> Collect for the Annunciation cf. Collect for Advent 4 in the new translation) by the \u2018as \u2026 so\u2019 device. The Latin uses this device too, but more rarely, and not in the case of the Pentecost Collect. But why not try it here? It would give this lovely prayer a more satisfactory English \u2018flow\u2019 (cf.LA 58).<\/p>\n<p>A revised version of this collect might read something like this.<\/p>\n<p><strong>O God, who by the mystery of this day\u2019s feast<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>are sanctifying your universal Church<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>in every people and nation,<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>pour out the gifts of the Holy Spirit<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>across the face of the earth<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>and as your divine grace was at work<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>in the first preaching of the Gospel,<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>so now let it work once again<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>in the hearts of those who believe.<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Through our Lord.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Fr. 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