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We have had a number of recent discussions here about different peoples\u2019 attitudes toward the different forms or rites of the Mass \u2013 the views of papabili<\/em>, for instance.<\/p>\n

To simplify matters, I thought it would be useful to construct a scale of attitudes, making it as symmetric as possible. Jack Rakosky and our social scientists will correct me here, but I think that this is an example of a Likert scale<\/a>, the kind often used in survey research. If we could agree on such a scale, we could say (for instance) that Pope Benedict seems to be a \u201c3\u201d \u2013 somewhat to the disappointment of many who hoped he might eventually reveal himself as a \u201c2\u201d.<\/p>\n

Update: a lively discussion of this topic has led me to attempt an update of the original scale. \u00a0The following shows the previously published version and a revision. \u00a0I have tried to preserve the numbering from the earlier version, so that peoples’ comments would continue to make sense. At one point, I had attempted to maintain symmetry in the scale but I now think this may be impossible. \u00a0And so the addition of level “0” (pre-1962) is not there to balance levels “6” and “7” but because I have seen people calling for a restoration of the earlier version — including in this post’s comments. Where a level spans the two columns, it is unmodified.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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<\/td>\nVERSION 1<\/strong><\/td>\nVERSION 2<\/strong><\/p>\n

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0<\/td>\n<\/td>\nEven the Mass of 1962 was hastily revised, and many of the changes to the Mass arising from the liturgical movement of the early 20th<\/sup> century were made too quickly. The recent changes to the older form of Mass should therefore be rolled back, at least as an option for celebrants. The pre-1955 Holy Week rites could again be authorised, for example, as could the baptismal ceremony in which adult converts from Judaism are exhorted, \u201cHorresce Judaicam perfidiam, respue Hebraicam superstitionem\u201d<\/em>. Corresponding changes could be made to disciplinary regulations \u2013 for example, restoring the Eucharistic fast from midnight. [NEW]<\/strong>\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

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1<\/td>\nThe Mass of 1962 is the immemorial rite and the only valid one; that of 1970 is little more than a Protestant prayer service [because it lacks the language of sacrifice, etc.] It should never have been promulgated and should be withdrawn immediately. No Catholic should attend it.<\/p>\n

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2<\/td>\nThe Mass of 1970 is valid and licit \u2013 it is a real Mass \u2013 but it is in every way inferior to that of 1962. If pastoral considerations didn\u2019t get in the way, it would be best for the Mass of 1970 to be suppressed as quickly as possible. In the meantime, the Mass of 1970 can be provided as an accommodation for those who cannot adapt to the richer and more challenging theology of the older rite.<\/p>\n

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2.5<\/td>\n<\/td>\nThe Mass of 1962 is in most ways superior to that of 1970, but there are a few things called for in Sacrosanctum Concilium<\/em>\u00a0or implemented after 1970 that could enrich the Mass of 1962, perhaps as options. These include an expanded lectionary, limited use of the vernacular, new prefaces, and perhaps a restoration of the oratio universalis<\/em> or prayer of the faithful. If the Mass of 1962 were modified in this way, the need for two forms would eventually wither away. [NEW]<\/strong><\/p>\n

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2.75<\/td>\n<\/td>\nThe Mass of 1970 and that of 1962 should have equal honour in the Church\u2019s worship. Each should be recognised as a distinctive rite, and canonical structures, derived perhaps from the Anglican Ordinariates or the Eastern Catholic Churches, should be constructed to allow followers of the 1962 Mass to preserve their liturgical heritage. Priests and communities should be able to \u201cbelong\u201d to either rite [under canonical terms and conditions yet to be defined], with provision for \u201cbiritual\u201d priests. By example and, if necessary, by legislation or executive action, the Church should forbid followers of either rite from attacking or trying to change the other. [NEW]<\/strong><\/p>\n

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3<\/td>\nThe Mass of 1970 should remain the normative rite of the Church. But the Mass of 1962 plays an essential role in our worship and must be preserved and fostered. All priests should learn this Mass and every parish should provide it on a regular basis. The Mass of 1962 will have a salutary effect on celebration of the Mass of 1970, and may even lead to a \u201cthird way\u201d that combines some elements of both.<\/p>\n

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[Renumbered as 3.25, with modification;\u00a0 \u2018mutual enrichment\u2019 option separated and split into 2.5 and 3.5]<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
3.25<\/td>\n<\/td>\nThe Mass of 1970 should remain the normative rite of the Church. But the Mass of 1962 plays an essential role in our worship and must be preserved and fostered. All priests should learn this Mass and every parish (or every metropolitan deanery) should provide it on a regular basis, not necessarily every Sunday but sufficiently often to keep the older Mass alive and to meet the needs of its followers. [MODIFIED]<\/strong><\/p>\n

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3.5<\/td>\n<\/td>\nThe Mass of 1970 is in most ways superior to that of 1962, but a few things were lost in the process of revision and reform that could enrich the newer rite; at the very least they should be offered as options. These include some form of prayers at the foot of the altar, the older offertory prayers and the last gospel. If the Mass of 1970 were reformed in this way, the need for two forms would eventually wither away. [NEW]<\/strong><\/p>\n

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4<\/td>\nThe Mass of 1962 remains valid; it should be provided as an accommodation to those who cannot adapt to the active participation that characterises the Mass of 1970. However, the older rite is inferior to the newer [because it fails to reflect the development of doctrine of the last century, etc.]; over time, it would be best for it to become a historical relic, or something to be studied but only used occasionally.<\/p>\n

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5<\/td>\nThe Mass of 1962 was suppressed by Pope Paul VI, or was meant to be suppressed, or should have been suppressed. It certainly should be suppressed today. Some of the theology contained in it [e.g. anti-Semitic prayers] fails to reflect the teaching of the Church. The next pope should cancel the legislation that made it more accessible.<\/p>\n

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6<\/td>\n<\/td>\nThe Mass of 1970 should remain the sole and normative rite, with the older Mass wholly or largely suppressed. However, greater effort should be made to adapt this Mass to communities\u2019 developing needs, and greater freedom should be provided to adapt it in translation. In English-speaking communities, continued use of the 1973 translation should be an option for priests, as should use of the 1998 translation. The concept of a single Latin editio typica, <\/em>translated more or less literally into different vernacular languages, should be abandoned. The only criterion for liturgical use should be approval of a version, in Latin or a vernacular language, by Rome and by the local bishop. [NEW]<\/strong><\/p>\n

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7<\/td>\n<\/td>\nIt is time to move away from the concept of a single printed Missal. Communities should be able to assemble their liturgical worship in ways that enable ecumenism and culturally appropriate celebrations. The Church should provide communities with rich resources to enable this, while at the same time ensuring that the integrity of the Mass and the riches of Catholic tradition are preserved. Such resources could include structural guidelines, advisors, sharing best practices, enhanced training for clergy and liturgy co-ordinators, etc.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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In discussing this, I suggest that we try to avoid normative claims such as \u201cThe pope, the supreme legislator, has taught via Summorum Pontificum<\/em> and Universae Ecclesiae<\/em> that the only valid position is a \u20183\u2019, therefore Catholics can hold no other position.\u201d The goal here is to understand attitudes, which may or may not be in line with the official teaching.<\/p>\n

Does this scale work for you? What is missing?<\/p>\n

Do you agree with my claim that Pope Benedict is a \u201c3\u201d? As pope, at least, he seems to have been just a bit higher on the scale, simply because he has neither celebrated the older form himself (in public, at least) nor forced all parishes to use it or all priests to learn it.<\/p>\n

What about the most papabile<\/em> cardinals?\u00a0 I doubt that any would be either a \u201c1\u201d (this is more or less the position of the SSPX) or a \u201c5\u201d (though some here on PTB<\/em> might put themselves there).<\/p>\n

Fr Zuhlsdorf seems officially to be a \u201c3\u201d, though he occasionally lets slip comments that suggest he is more of a \u201c2\u201d. A good number of traditionalist bloggers seem to be closer to \u201c2\u201d.<\/p>\n

For what it\u2019s worth, I would peg myself at 3.675 \u2013 trending toward 4, but moderating this because of limited direct exposure to the older form of Mass.<\/p>\n

Where are you on this scale?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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