{"id":17526,"date":"2012-12-30T14:47:02","date_gmt":"2012-12-30T20:47:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/?p=17526"},"modified":"2013-06-11T12:34:14","modified_gmt":"2013-06-11T18:34:14","slug":"alan-griffiths-on-etiam","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2012\/12\/30\/alan-griffiths-on-etiam\/","title":{"rendered":"Alan Griffiths on &#8216;etiam&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>by Alan Griffiths<\/p>\n<p>Blessing Holy Water after Vespers tonight (as one does) I was intrigued by the use of the word \u2018even\u2019 in the blessing prayer, and remembered that I had heard it before elsewhere in the new translation and that it sounded a little odd. The line in question reads:<\/p>\n<p><em>Almighty and ever-living God,<br \/>\n<\/em><em>who willed that through water,<br \/>\n<\/em><em>the fountain of life and the source of purification,<br \/>\n<\/em><em>even souls should be cleansed and receive the gift of eternal life \u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Why \u2018even\u2019 souls?<\/p>\n<p>It is \u2018etiam\u2019 in the Latin \u2013 <em>etiam animae mundarentur\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p>If <em>etiam<\/em> is a reinforcing word \u2013 my Latin Dictionary has <em>also, furthermore, too, likewise, besides, even, nay even<\/em>, etc., then I can see that it has the sense of \u2018well, if water cleans [sc. bodies], it must also clean souls ..\u2019 But the text as it stands, without any such elucidation of the sense, makes no sense to me. It ought to translate something like \u2018souls as well as bodies might be cleansed \u2026\u2019<\/p>\n<p>A similar oddity occurs in the Paschaltide preface ending:<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; <em>and even the heavenly powers .. sing together<\/em> ..<\/p>\n<p>Again, this is tantamount to saying that \u2018not only the earthly congregations but also the heavenly powers ..\u2019 but without that amplification \u2018even\u2019 seems to suggest that the heavenly powers are praising the resurrection begrudgingly. I got round this last year by saying \u2018the heavenly powers also, \u2026\u2019<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a small example of the weirdness of some of the language in the new Missal.<\/p>\n<p>So, to use line the line suggested by Fr. Anthony Ruff, IF we were thinking of further work on the text, how might we approach this?<\/p>\n<p><em>Almighty and ever-living God,<br \/>\n<\/em><em>who willed that through water,<br \/>\n<\/em><em>the fountain of life and the source of purification,<br \/>\n<\/em><em>souls might be cleansed and receive the gift of eternal life <\/em>..<\/p>\n<p>would the simplest approach be to omit <em>etiam<\/em> altogether?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>Fr. Alan Griffiths is a priest of of Portsmouth Diocese, UK. 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