{"id":15621,"date":"2012-07-21T12:54:31","date_gmt":"2012-07-21T18:54:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/?p=15621"},"modified":"2012-07-21T13:29:45","modified_gmt":"2012-07-21T19:29:45","slug":"fr-pasley-on-the-distinctive-voices-of-the-ordinary-form-of-the-mass","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2012\/07\/21\/fr-pasley-on-the-distinctive-voices-of-the-ordinary-form-of-the-mass\/","title":{"rendered":"Fr. Pasley on the Distinctive Voices of the Ordinary Form of the Mass"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Over at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.chantcafe.com\/\">Chant Caf\u00e9<\/a>,\u00a0Fr. Robert Pasley, the chaplain of the Church Music Association of America, has a written a lengthy <a href=\"http:\/\/www.chantcafe.com\/2012\/07\/fr-pasley-on-ofs-distinctive-voices.html\">addition<\/a> to our <a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2012\/07\/20\/does-the-ordinary-form-have-a-distinctive-voice\/\">conversation<\/a> about the ways in which the forms of the Mass may enrich one another.<\/p>\n<p>Having received permission to reprint his work\u00a0here on <em>Pray Tell<\/em>, I tried to insert his observations but WordPress limits the number of characters; hence this post. If this is not your cup of tea, just ignore it. But I am pursuing these questions as part of my larger desire to create respectful dialogue.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Does the Ordinary Form have its own distinctive voice or voices?<br \/>\nFr. Robert C Pasley, KCHS<br \/>\nChaplain CMAA<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">I would like to add to the discussion raised by Jeffrey Tucker about the distinctive voice of the OF. It doesn\u2019t, in my opinion have a voice, but many voices.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Paul Ford said, \u201cThis CMAA Colloquium was the perfect venue for experiencing the reform of the reform at its most exemplary.\u201d While I agree that it was exemplary and I thank him for the compliment, I don\u2019t agree that we are engaged in the reform of the reform or that we tried to enrich the OF by adding EF elements to it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Ad Orientem worship is not foreign to the OF according to the books. As a matter of fact we all know that Ad Populum was never mentioned by VII. It spread on its own, flying on the wings of the \u201cSpirit of Vatican II.\u201d Either GIRM #299 in the new Missal was translated incorrectly by accident or someone injected their agenda on purpose. It does not say that Ad Populum is preferred, but it says the following, \u201cAltare maius exstruatur a pariete seiunctum, ut facile circumiri et in eo celebratio versus populum peragi possit, quod expedit ubicumque possibile sit.\u201d Which, thanks to Fr Z, the literal translation means, \u201cThe main altar should be built separated from the wall, which is useful wherever it is possible, so that it can be easily walked around and a celebration toward the people can be carried out.\u201d By celebrating the OF Ad Orientem we are not reforming anything. We are not imposing EF customs on the OF. We are simply doing what the book not only allows, but seems to suggest as the first option.<\/p>\n<p>From my previous <a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2012\/07\/21\/mass-facing-the-people-a-defense\/\">post<\/a> one can gather that I question this translation and I do not believe that <em>ad orientem<\/em> is the first option for OF Mass.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Using Latin is not part of the reform of the reform. It is called for in the OF.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Not extending the Sign of Peace is not reform, or influence from the EF, it is an option granted to the priest to use, or not use, at his own discretion.<\/p>\n<p>The present indicative in GIRM 82, &#8220;There follows the Rite of Peace . . . &#8221; means \u201cmust be done.\u201d The &#8220;if appropriate&#8221; of \u00a0GIRM\u00a0154, &#8220;Then the Priest, with hands extended, says aloud the prayer <em>Domine Iesu Christe, qui dixisti <\/em>(<em>Lord\u00a0<\/em><em>Jesus Christ, who said to your Apostles) <\/em>and when it is concluded, extending and then joining his hands,\u00a0he announces the greeting of peace, facing the people and saying, <em>The peace of the Lord be with you\u00a0<\/em><em>always. <\/em>The people reply, <em>And with your spirit. <\/em>After this, <strong>if appropriate,<\/strong> the Priest adds<em>, Let us offer each\u00a0<\/em><em>other the sign of peace&#8221;<\/em> (my emphasis), applies only to the adding of\u00a0<em>Let us offer each\u00a0<\/em><em>other the sign of peace.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Using beautiful Roman style vestments in the OF is not imposing the EF. All legitimate historical vestments can be used in either Form. You can use modern vestments, with all the proper parts, for the EF and you can use old vestments in the OF. As a matter of fact, even though the maniple and biretta are no longer required for the OF, there is nothing forbidding a priest from using them. The Canons of St Peter\u2019s Basilica wear the biretta at the sung Mass on Sundays at the Altar of the Chair.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Finally, the omission of the Prayer of the faithful during weekday Masses seems to raise the hackles of many a person. This is also not a throwback to the EF. Many times the intercessions are so wordy and so long, they are easily tuned out. They can actually become more prominent and meaningful by using them less. The rubric says they are desirable. It doesn\u2019t say mandatory. If the daily intercessions are so essential, then why not just say they are mandatory.<\/p>\n<p>The rubric in GIRM 69 says\u00a0they are desirable and usual[ly]. I agree with you that the universal prayer is poorly understood and implemented. I&#8217;m working to improve both. As Georges Bernanos famoulsy said, &#8220;the Church has need not of critics, but of artists . . . In the great crises of poetry what matters is not to denounce bad poets, nor worse still to hang them, but to write beautiful verses, to reopen the sacred sources.\u00a0The Church has need not of reformers, but of saints.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">As long as I have been a member of the CMAA our policy has been to try to celebrate the Sacred Liturgy as close to what <em>Sacrosanctum Concilium<\/em> seems to want and what the rubrics of the OF Missal seem to prefer. This applies to rubrics, music, ars celebrandi, and spirituality. The problem is the word \u201cseems.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">The word \u201cseems\u201d is the crux of the matter, the place where the many voices of the OF appear. Michael Davies wrote a book called \u201cLiturgical Time Bombs.\u201d In it he described the various places in <em>Sacrosanctum Concilium<\/em> where imprecise language opened the way for innovations that many could never have imagined. In my opinion, one of the most egregious problems of the OF is the multitude of options and suggestions. This flexibility has opened the way for a Pandora\u2019s box of experimentation and ultimately a complete disregard, by many, for following any rules. I hate to say this, but one could believe that the rubrics and rules that keep the OF close to the tradition were placed as the first option to keep the peace and not shock too much. The other options or loopholes were included so that in time the Rites could develop in ways that would never have been accepted at first. After all, I think it was Fr. Gelineau who said that the Roman Rite was dead. Under Archbishop Marini\u2019s guidance, during the Papacy of Pope John Paul II, I don\u2019t think I ever heard a Gradual or Gregorian Alleluia at a Papal Mass. At times, even the Vatican didn\u2019t seem to be following the precedence set down in the Liturgical books, especially in regard to music.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t believe the options are there so that &#8220;the Rites could develop in ways that would never have been accepted at first.&#8221; But I do agree that &#8220;[a]t times, even the Vatican didn\u2019t seem to be following the precedence set down in the Liturgical books, especially in regard to music.&#8221;\u00a0Father Joseph Gelineau, S.J., did say in\u00a0<em>Demain La Liturgie\u00a0<\/em>(Paris, 1976, 9): &#8220;To tell the truth, it is a different liturgy of the Mass. This needs to be said without ambiguity: the Roman Rite as we knew it no longer exists. It has been destroyed.&#8221; But the operative words are &#8220;as we knew it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">I would like to conclude where I began. I don\u2019t think there is one voice for the OF. I don\u2019t even think there are two or three voices for the OF. The problem is that there are so many voices even within the celebration of the OF, it can often seem like the expression of two different religions. This occurs even without throwing the EF into the mix. The CMAA, under the guidance of our predecessors, especially Msgr. Schuler, has always practiced the hermeneutic of continuity. We do our best to keep that continuity with our Tradition and traditions alive. As for the EF influencing the OF or vice versa, that is a challenge for another day and for people at a much higher pay grade. I once heard a very kind and yet determined Traditionalist say, \u201cbetter the Old Mass in English facing the people than the New Mass in Latin facing the altar.\u201d Whether one agrees or not, it is a very thought provoking statement. It shows that mutual enrichment is much deeper than the style of vestment a priest might wear and it has a long way to go.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks, Father, for keeping the conversation going and for trying &#8220;to reopen the sacred sources.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Fr. Robert Pasley, the chaplain of the Church Music Association of America, has a written a lengthy addition to our conversation about the ways in which the forms of the Mass may enrich one another. 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