{"id":10138,"date":"2011-06-18T08:32:19","date_gmt":"2011-06-18T13:32:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/?p=10138"},"modified":"2013-05-21T13:34:45","modified_gmt":"2013-05-21T19:34:45","slug":"whoops-heresy-in-that-your-the-collect-for-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2011\/06\/18\/whoops-heresy-in-that-your-the-collect-for-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"Whoops! Heresy in that \u201cyour\u201d? The collect for Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As we know, <em>Liturgiam authenticam<\/em>\u2019s n. 51, &#8220;in the most exact manner,&#8221; has become, as Bishop Serratelli put it, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2010\/11\/18\/statement-by-the-usccb-committee-on-divine-worship\/\" target=\"_blank\">faithfully but not slavishly<\/a>.&#8221; But on certain days, like Trinity Sunday, it might have been good to be a bit more \u201cexact\u201d \u2013 and get the doctrine right\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Latin Missal:<br \/>\n<em> Deus Pater,<br \/>\n<\/em><em> qui, Verbum verit\u00e1tis et Sp\u00edritum sanctificati\u00f3nis<br \/>\n<\/em><em> mittens in mundum,<br \/>\n<\/em><em> admir\u00e1bile myst\u00e9rium tuum hom\u00ednibus decl\u00e1rasti,<br \/>\n<\/em><em> da nobis, in confessi\u00f3ne verae f\u00eddei,<br \/>\n<\/em><em> aet\u00e9rnae gl\u00f3riam Trinit\u00e1tis agn\u00f3scere,<br \/>\n<\/em><em> et Unit\u00e1tem ador\u00e1re in pot\u00e9ntia maiest\u00e1tis.<br \/>\n<\/em><em> Per D\u00f3minum.<\/em><em><\/em><\/p>\n<p>2008 (approved by the bishops\u2019 conferences):<br \/>\nGod our Father,<br \/>\nby sending into the world the Word of truth<br \/>\nand the Spirit of sanctification<br \/>\nyou made known to humankind your awesome mystery;<br \/>\ngrant us, in professing the true faith,<br \/>\nto acknowledge the Trinity of eternal glory,<br \/>\nand adore the Unity, powerful in majesty.<br \/>\nThrough our Lord.<\/p>\n<p>2010 (after <a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/11\/The-Institutions2.pdf\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Vox Clara<\/em>\/CDW<\/a> redid what the bishops submitted):<br \/>\nGod our Father,<br \/>\nwho by sending into the world the Word of truth<br \/>\nand the Spirit of sanctification<br \/>\nmade known to the human race your wondrous mystery,<br \/>\ngrant us, we pray, that in professing the true faith,<br \/>\nwe may acknowledge the Trinity of eternal glory<br \/>\nand adore your Unity, powerful in majesty.<br \/>\nThrough our Lord.<\/p>\n<p>If you wanted to be a real stickler, you could say that 2008 is more exact in translating the two infinitives <em>agnoscere<\/em> and <em>adorare<\/em> as infinitives. But the 2010 text paraphrases them, after <strong>adding<\/strong> \u201cwe pray,\u201d which is not in the Latin. Hmm, paraphrase and additions: shades of the old ICEL, eh?<\/p>\n<p>But it seems that a bit of heresy occurs in the final line of the prayer: \u201cyour Unity.\u201d Note, there is not a \u201cyour\u201d in the Latin. And this for a very good doctrinal reason. The prayer is addressed to God the Father: it is not HIS Unity that we adore but the Unity of the TRINITY.<\/p>\n<p>Small point? Apparently not: see <em>Catechism of the Catholic Church<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/praytellblog.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/255.pdf\">no. 255<\/a> on the relationship between the divine persons. In fact, despite its paraphrase, the old ICEL got the doctrine right!<\/p>\n<p>Part of the presentation of the new translation emphasizes the <em>lex orandi, lex credendi<\/em> dictum \u2013 as we pray, so we believe. 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